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mad jasper |
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can anyone help, I am working on heel training with Jasper, but I seem to be getting no where, I have been working on this for months..... I have tried about
turn training, stopping when he move past my knee , I was told by a gundog trainer to check him which I am trying at the moment but it seem to have no affect
unless I check him so hard it hurts my hand..... Which I really dont like! I really want to use positive methods and really would like him to walk nicely next
to me with the family when on days out may be one day without a lead Can anyone help, how long does it take on average? I have read so many ways but none seem
to work or dont cover what to do if normal methods fail. Help .....
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polmaise |
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well you could buy a 'happy fix it pill,from a pet store?'.add it to the dogs food and wake up in the morning,and it will all be fine?
Or ,on the other hand ,you could save that 'sore hand',and start correcting properly with 'timing'? rather than 'Pulling'? One or two,correctly timed corrections,are far more effective' than hours of 'pulling', have you ever tried "standing still" on your heel work? Its amazing,how quickly the dog realises,that trying to go forward ,achieves nothing but stationary movement. |
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mad jasper |
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Where can i get one of them ! As I stated i have tried that method and I have been using correct timing as i have been trained anyway and not just pulling him
back. Regarding standing still, one he moves past my leg i stand still however he just get to the end of the lead stops there eventually he comes back and then
we move and he pulls ahead and so on and so on. I much rather this method thank lease popping, as I really dont feel it works or I am completely rubbish anyway
the other method has less margin for error. I guess i just have to stick with the standing still and keep at it until he gets it, Thanks for your advise
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Des ONeile |
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Lead in left hand, dressage whip in right hand. Every time the dog goes forward further than you want tap it on the nose. Letting a dog pull is effectively
training it not to walk at heel.
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cuffy |
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Dog training can be challenging at times,that's what gives us the bug.If it was straight forward it would become boring.Even the most experienced trainers
come across problems.The skill is in reading the dog and correcting the problem.Trial and error is often the only way to solve problems.We all aspire to get
good results.but you can not rely on one method for all dogs,unfortunately its not that simple.Dog training is an art and comes with experience.Most good
trainers have forgot more than some of us will ever know. Des suggested a good idea!!!,but i don't imagine you have a dressage whip,do you?.A twig or cane
will do,alternatively you could swing/swirl a lead in your right hand, anti-clockwise.this will also prevent the dog from moving forward.
I would be tempted to use my voice more to communicate with the dog,to teach the dog the desired response.If the dog pulls forward or sniffs the ground,a quick AAH,followed my an immediate correction will help the dog understand easier.On a more positive note,encouragement in a light hearted manner when the dog is in the correct position will also help achieve your goal!!! You need to teach this dog some manners and establish a calm relaxed attitude before you attempt heel training. Sit before you put on the lead,you lead the way through kennel door,garden gate etc,You MUST be the pack leader and establish some discipline. Choose an environment with no distraction,stack things in your favour!!! I hope this helps Good Luck Steve PS there is no magic tablet |
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AngelaD |
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Hi Jasper, I'm afraid I'm, not writing with a solution - but to sympathise! I have a 7 month old pup and am having similar problems... sometimes. He
will walk beautifully to heel down our road for his normal morning walk - if it's just me there, and I hold a tennis ball! - even off the lead. However,
remove the tennis ball, add my husband, or change the road - and no chance!! Although he'll often walk well with my husband holding the lead. Oh - and to
top it all, if I praise him at any point for getting it right - he tries to break into a run like it's a release command! However, we're trying to
persevere with stopping each time he gets ahead - it just takes a very long time to get home again!! Good luck Angela
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Des ONeile |
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One aspect of giving advice, on anything, is trying to remember the thoughts and considerations that went through your own mind when you were doing it for the
first time yourself and probably knew nothing about it. Dog training is no different. Walking to heel, or rather failure to walk to heel is however the one dog
training problem I just don't get. I had a Cairn/Lakeland cross called Bimbo as a pet for a few years when I was very small. He walked to heel. I obviously
didn't train him to do it but I think my Dad did. Now his attitude would have been the boy doesn't want to have to take the dog everywhere on a lead
and I haven't got a lot of time to worry about this. I don't actually remember Bimbo ever being on the lead and we used to go for a walk most Sunday
afternoons along the Dublin Road out of Omagh. I do remember being down by the river one day and we were sitting on a rug, my Dad, sister Lorna, and myself.
Bimbo growled at me and my Dad thumped him. Just the once. He never growled at a child again though he would growl at strange adults, especially those poor
souls who seem to have to shout rather than talk. He was never disciplined for growling at adults, probably because he never actually bit one, but no strange
adult was allowed near me without a warning. This is just about as untrainable a mongrel as I can now imagine but he was a mongrel that knew his boundries.
Recently I have found myself writing that how you would solve a perceived problem with a dog is not necessairly how you would train a dog to do it in the first
place. I seem to be writing it quite often of late. Probably the only reason Bimbo walked to heel was that he was a disciplined dog in general therefore
walking to heel was no big deal. I try not to use tricks to train my dogs but a dog that is made to sit before it is allowed out of the kennel, a dog that is
made to sit before it is allowed to either jump in or out of the dog box in the car, that sort of dog will adapt to discipline more readily that one that
won't carry out these tasks. Walking at heel is a discipline orientated task.
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DLK |
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Hi I have met some of you on my forum and on others, Training heel can be done without force. I train heel work in a 5 mtr square. I have had many dogs come to
me with heel problems and this method never fails. Ten mins and even the worst heel dog is walking without issue.
Take your time and it will happen, walk slow in tight circles holding the dog close, change direction when it tries to move off heel. My challange is within ten mins I would win your dog to heel. Darren Kirkbourne
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15 June, 2009 13:35:43.
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Windem Bang |
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As you already know I too begin heelwork training by working in small squares. To begin with I do only right turns and right about turns, I make the dog
think about staying at heel rather than thinking about veering off on its own. I agree with you, very often just 10 minutes of well timed corrections and well
timed praise will achieve the results most people want. Many years ago I trained and competed in the obedience ring . I got as far as Championship C with my
dog using this method of heelwork training. I then got bored with the predictability of the Obedience ring and went back into gundog training. The exact same
heelwork training methods got me to the retriever champs.
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DLK |
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Hi Bill, it is taking me some time to work out this forum but im sure i will do it in time.
I should read my posts before posting as i make errors all the time LOL DLK |
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Eugene Molloy |
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mad jasper,
If you are within striking distance of the Midlands, come to one of our training days. The Marches Gundog Group Nice social occasion, and you'll get some practical help plus an assessment of you and the dog. Eug |
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